Sunday, July 3, 2016

Oh the idiocy.

David G. McAfee
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We don't need a straight pride parade.
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Troy Holmes Gay pride is silly. You don't get to be treated like anyone else if you purposely choose to stand out from anyone else. It's a silly form of awareness.
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Cody Davis ^^ Spoken like someone who has never been ridiculed, denied a job, threatened with their life by someone for something about themselves they cannot change.
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Troy Holmes Cody, my life is in shambles, I have no bright future to speak of, my salary is a grand total of 45 bucks A MONTH, I would be homeless if it weren't for the incredible generosity of my friends and grandmother, I've been ridiculed for a great many thing...See More
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Cody Davis I didn't assume that's why you said it, I said you spoke it as if you hadn't. I stand by that. Just because you've suffered in your life (as we all have), doesn't mean you can't say something that is crass and historically meaningless. You are a cas...See More
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Cody Davis Here, let me recommend some reading:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.../why-gay-pride-matters...
Why Pride Still Matters
By Mary Malia for
HUFFINGTONPOST.COM
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Cody Davis http://www.comingoutfrombehindthebadge.com/.../pride-2015/
Pride 2015
I'm often asked by straight colleagues and friends about why "gay pride" celebrations are…
COMINGOUTFROMBEHINDTHEBADGE.COM|BY WWW.COMINGOUTFROMBEHINDTHEBADGE.COM
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Cody Davis I'm sorry you've been denied jobs for your disease. I highly doubt you'll ever be hunted to your doorstep and hung on a fence after being beaten to death for it.
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Cody Davis I also highly doubt that if a group of you were having fun in a dance club, a religious zealot would open fire on you because his religion told him your disease was an abomination of God, or the embodiment of Western excess.
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Troy Holmes Then explain why they happen in places where the LGBT community faces no adversities? Where they aren't having their rights taken away, where they are treated like anyone else in society. Does pride still matter because somewhere else in the world they...See More
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Cody Davis You don't choose to be gay, dude. You need to get that sense of logic in your brain ASAP. You choose to be Atheist, Christian, or Muslim. If you live in an area where you're going to be hunted down if you don't conform to a religion, you can choose ...See More
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Troy Holmes I don't choose to be atheist, idiot. I don't get to choose what I believe. I can't choose to be a Christian. You are the one who needs to get shit out of their head.
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Troy Holmes I know you don't understand my reasoning, but you're not even trying. You haven't even asked why I think gay pride is silly, you've just gone "NO IT ISNT HERE LOOK ARTICLES READ THEM" - I am of course paraphrasing for comedic effect.
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Cody Davis Wow. You don't choose what to believe? I guess books and thinking through your life decisions might be a bit over your head. haha. Ok dude, argument over. 1. You can't even honestly address my points. 2. You resort to name-calling. I don't care ...See More
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Troy Holmes What do you have to say to gay people who live in dangerous places, genuinely dangerous places that think gay pride is silly? That just want to be treated as anyone else and don't want to stand out. That just want to live their lives like anyone else a...See More
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Cody Davis Why would I care to listen to someone who speaks about something they don't understand with vitriol and then when confronted about it passionately resorts to name-calling? You have committed so many logical fallacies and poor conversational faux pas a...See More
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Cody Davis I have plenty of gay friends that live in Cowlitz County that partake in gay pride in neighboring large cities. Of course they don't want to stand out. They fear the repercussions of going against the grain. It's called jante law, and it defines small city behavior. Cliques and conformists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante
Law of Jante - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Law of Jante (Danish: Janteloven (Danish pronunciation: [ˈja̝nd̥əˌlo̞ʋˀən]); Norwegian: Janteloven (Bokmål) or Jantelova (Nynorsk) (Norwegian pronunciation: [ˈjantɛˌlɔ̹ːvɛn]); Icelandic: Jantelögin; Swedish: Jantelagen (Swedish pronunciation: [ˈjantɛˌlɑːɡɛn]) is the description of a pattern of g...
EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG
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Cody Davis Anybody is free to think anything about anything. That doesn't mean they don't deserve criticism for it.. If a gay person chooses not to participate in or have a negative view toward gay pride, that is their choice, but they're not being intellectuall...See More
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Troy Holmes Correct, you don't choose what you believe. If you disagree then I dare you to choose to believe you can fly and test it out.
Thinking is different from things you accept as true, I would assume you know that so I don't know why you would bring that up...See More
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Troy Holmes Jesus Christ you can't even entertain the notion that you might be wrong, can you? You even drag gay people who disagree with you down the drain.

Choose to believe you can fly and try to fly. If you believe something that literally means you accept it as true, if you think it is true you can fly, try it. Because you apparently think you can choose that.
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Cody Davis Are we talking about believing in things that can never be manifestly untrue or in faith? I fear you don't understand the difference. You can have faith you'll fly and never test it, and die the day you do. But you can have faith in an afterlife, and guess what? Nobody can ever disprove you. So yeah, you can certainly choose what you believe in. I hate to break it to you.
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Troy Holmes Nobody is talking about faith, stop flailing. You said belief was a choice, it is not. If you think it is, choose to believe something you do not currently believe and prove that you chose to believe it and actually believe it.
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Cody Davis Yes, it is. Faith is a type of belief. Flailing? Yes, dude, you so have me on the ropes. Derp.
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Troy Holmes I picked fly because I assume you do not believe you can fly. It is an easy pick with an easy demonstration.
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Cody Davis There is a difference between belief and proof dude. You're the one making leaps of argument. Major leaps. But I'm not surprised.
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Cody Davis You can believe anything you want. Plenty of people believe millions of things without ever trying to prove it. Or as I stated, have faith in something that can never expressly be disproven, which is a system of belief.
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Troy Holmes Nobody was talking about faith because Atheists and weed users were included in that list which means I am clearly not referring to FAITH. Because atheists and weed smokers do not or are completely irrelevant to faith belief.
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Troy Holmes Stop flailing. Choose to believe you can fly and prove it.
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Cody Davis I never said you could prove anything. You're not really paying attention are you? I said you could believe anything. You clearly believe you have made a coherent argument, and your thread has more holes than swiss cheese. Sorry bra.
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Troy Holmes You brought in faith where it was not a part of. You claimed you can choose what you believe. Choose to believe you can fly, demonstrate that you genuinely believe you can fly by jumping off a non-lethal but still dangerous height or fucking accept that you're wrong.
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Cody Davis Dude, belief and proof are separate notions.
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Cody Davis Separate.
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Troy Holmes You said you choose what you believe, you said you can believe anything you want.
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Cody Davis Not the same.
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Cody Davis Keep saying the same bullshit though.
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Cody Davis Derp, and you can
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Cody Davis You can't prove it, however.
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Cody Davis Which I never said you could
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Cody Davis I said you could BELIEVE whatever you wanted. You brought proof into it, which is a separate notion.
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Cody Davis Not the same.
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Troy Holmes Turn off the butthurt faucet please. Jesus, stop spamming.
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Troy Holmes You said you can CHOOSE to believe anything. I asked for evidence. I apologize for assuming you knew how substantiating your claims work.
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Cody Davis Do you believe I'm butthurt? Can you prove it?
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Troy Holmes I would take your relentless effort at avoiding your dumb mistake as a piece of evidence in support of that.
Choose to believe I'm right, choose to believe you should not say a word after this and be quiet. That would be reasonably convincing after the shitshow of butthurt you've displayed.
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Cody Davis The only way you will ever understand that you can choose to believe anything is if you personally use your imagination. I doubt that will ever happen. Lemme give you one example, before I unfollow this intellectually deadening thread. Many people c...See More
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Troy Holmes I guess you couldn't choose to believe I'm right, could you?  They don't choose to believe something else, they are convinced through whatever means that something else is true. Again, if you control that, choose to believe you can fly and convince m...See More
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Troy Holmes Choose to believe you can fly, mate. You said you could. Demonstrate it to me, it's not unfair to ask for substantiation of your claim.
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Cody Davis I highly recommend reading something about politics or the social situation of gay people and how gay pride, something you find so silly has benefited gay people. Also, please continue to misconstrue my words. I never said you could demonstrate or pr...See More
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Cody Davis Any well read atheist understands how belief and proof are completely different concepts. Any well read human being understands how organization and solidarity of political movements/social structures tends to benefit said group of people. I fear you're not well read in either.
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Troy Holmes Why do you believe these normal gay people who live their lives like any other straight or gay person have Stockholm syndrome or are self-loathing?
Can you choose to believe you can fly?
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Troy Holmes I'm asking for evidence you genuinely believe it. You do not seem to understand I'm not saying what you think I'm saying.
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Cody Davis Of course you can choose to believe you can fly. Also, not all gay people who don't have gay pride have the aforementioned issues. But they would be intellectually dishonest to not admit how gay pride and various political organizing that stemmed from and led to it and continue to drive it have benefited their lives.
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Cody Davis Just because I believe I can fly doesn't mean I ever have to prove it, does it?
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Troy Holmes Ok, choose to believe you can fly and demonstrate that you genuinely believe it by jumping off a significant height trying to fly. Whether you succeed or not is irrelevant, it is a demonstrate that you really can choose to believe that you can.
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Cody Davis I don't ever have to prove it if I don't want to. Beliefs are a mental thing, proof usually isn't. You understand that, right? And again, I'm not even sure why we're talking about this. This is a concept a kindergartner could grasp.
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Troy Holmes Then your argument is dismissed just as easily as it is asserted if you do not substantiate it. So we refer back to the default position where we do not accept we can choose what we believe.
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Troy Holmes It is a concept a kindergartner could grasp, which is why I think it's odd that you can not grasp it. You can demonstrate you believe something by acting in accordance with that belief.
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Troy Holmes Why do you think normal gay people who happen to disagree with pride parades have Stockholm Syndrome and are self-loathing? You have been asked enough, answer the goddamn question.
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Cody Davis And you can choose not to demonstrate you believe in something if you choose not to. That doesn't necessarily mean you believe it any less steadfastly.
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Troy Holmes Then your assertion is disregarded as unsubstantiated. The default position is not to accept you can choose what you believe. Now explain why you think normal gay people who disagree with pride parades have Stockholm Syndrome and are self-loathing.
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Cody Davis I was exaggerating to get my point across. My real idea is that gay people who think pride is silly aren't realizing the political scope of what gay pride has done to help them towards equality. I'm glad you understand psychology and can disregard be...See More
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Cody Davis Also, just because a gay person tells you pride is silly, doesn't mean that's how they really feel. They're probably just saying that because it is easier to assuage your "magnanimity." 
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Troy Holmes No but I actually try to look at other people's perspective instead of insisting they are wrong against all reason.
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Cody Davis To argue that gay pride is silly is wrong against all reason. It is part of the interplay throughout history that has led to gay marriage, gay persecution labeled as a hate crime, the ability to be open about sexuality, etc. I appreciate your perspect...See More
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Troy Holmes But do keep implying that my close friends are lying to me despite that going against all reason and you just think they hate themselves for not wanting pride parades. They aren't against other people being them, they just think they're silly and don't...See More
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Troy Holmes Yes and you've already convinced yourself that is the only possible way to achieve that. I understand.
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Cody Davis Again, as I've stated, that was an exaggeration. If they truly believe that gay pride is silly, they are politically ignorant.
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Troy Holmes You still don't understand what I meant with that, but I'm sure you will keep ignoring that. Excuse me for sounding condenscending, it is actually a sincere guess.
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Cody Davis But they're probably just telling you that because, based on your black and white retelling of the world, as you've demonstrated repeatedly and remarkably throughout this thread, it is the quickest way to appease you.
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Troy Holmes Yes because they disagree with something they're ignorant. Like I said you completely disregard that could even have a possible reason for it.
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Cody Davis They can have many reasons for it, and in their world and personal life, I'm sure they might find it silly. But to not be able to admit how important it has been for their very livelihoods is to profess a massive political ignorance.
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Troy Holmes You're the only one I've spoken to this way, such a short interaction is hardly ground to judge my entire character. But I will guess that, that too will be ignored.
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Troy Holmes Nobody is talking about admitting how important it was. This is the third time you brought in something that was not being discussed and that I have not brought up at all even though you're acting as if I was talking about it.
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Troy Holmes I was going to chuck it up to just a mistake of interpretation on your part but after three times and ignoring the several times I've told you you misunderstood or talked about things that aren't there, I have to ask if this is incompetence, ego or a m...See More
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Cody Davis Oh, I'm sorry, you probably should have specified what you meant about gay pride, like which exact point in history you were calling it silly. Also, you should probably get a quick history lesson in... Gay pride is still very important because guess what, gay people are still unequal in many parts of the country.
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Troy Holmes You probably should've asked for specifics before assuming them. I was talking about parades specifically as I've mentioned several times now. That is after all the main 'gay' point in the picture above.
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Cody Davis "Nobody is talking about admitting how important it was." Massive ignorance. You do remember Orlando a month ago, right? Or all of the southern states who have attempted to ban gay marriage? Or the supreme court case that was needed to tell marriag...See More
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Troy Holmes Parades. Parades. Parades. Parades. Parades. I just fucking explicitly told you I was referring to parades like the image above and you still react as if I talk about gay pride as a whole. There is no way to be more clear about that. If I see you refer to gay pride as a whole again I will no longer accept that we are simply having communication issues.
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Cody Davis Dude, you just got caught saying you admit gay pride WAS important and now you're trying to deflect. But totally, I'm flailing. Anyway, back to unfollowing this post.
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